Precisely, it was only meant as a humourous comment based on other users reaction to mention of that site.
My apologies if I made you feel unwelcome in any way.

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If there's a question about how to convert stacked graphical text from a front cover to the text we need for DVD Profiler, it's certainly relevant that the back cover lists the title twice without the colon and never with the colon.

And how do we decide whether or not there is a question?  In this case is sure seems like the back cover is being used to prove there is a question that should be answered by the back cover.  I am sorry, but that just doesn't work for me.

"If there's a question..." refers to the fact that a forum thread has been started on the subject. There is a question. People have different opinions on the question. It seems that people looking at the front cover have differing views. It seems logical to me to flip it over and see how it's textually represented on the back by the filmmakers rather than burying my head in the sand and saying to myself that I can't taint my information by allowing anything into my discernment process aside from information I can assume from the front cover. Making a determination that the title is Step Up 2 The Streets does not violate the rule that requires the title to come from the front cover simply because I allowed myself to look at the back cover as part of the process. Step Up 2 The Streets is represented on the front cover.

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Looking at the cover, and only the cover, I have no question about how the stacked graphical text should be entered.

'Step Up' is the name of the series.
'2' indicates that this is the second film in the series.
'The Streets' is the name of this 'episode' in the series.

That's an assumption. There's nothing in the rule requiring you to put on front-cover blinders and to not allow any other knowledge into the process.

Using your method of reading stacked text, since the "I" in "Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace" is graphically behind "Star Wars" and "The Phantom Menace", one would read either "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace I" or "I Star Wars: The Phantom Menace". The only way to read the "I" to come between "Star Wars" and "The Phantom Menace" is to look at the back cover. Even the spine puts the "I" at the end. But that example has the pesky "episode" problem too.  But you see what I mean? We use external knowledge to determine how to represent titles even though we still only use the information shown on the front cover.

Another example: I have a film called "The Nines". One the front cover, the "e" is represented by a horizontally reversed number 9. That's not something one can replicate in text. I "know" it should be a n "e", so I use an "e". That's how the title is listed on the back cover. I could list it as "The Nin9s" and use the argument that I can't represent a horizontally reversed "9" and therefore will use a proper "9". But the back cover shows it clearly as an "e". So I'm using an "e".

How about the recent Dirty Harry movies where Clint Eastywood's name is in the same size font (but different color) as the titles? How do we know those aren't part of the title? The back cover will tell you. The different color doesn't alone make the determination since many titles are represented by different colors of text.

On his film "The Rookie", both his name and Charlie Sheen's are stacked above the title in the same font size and color. How to know they aren't part of the title? Should I assume by font choice and position that they are? The back cover says otherwise.

A better example are all of the James Bond movies with 007 represented behind the title. How to know the "007" isn't part of the title? Look at the back cover.

If we make assumptions based on how graphical text is shown, we'll end up with 007 preceding or following all of those titles.    We have to allow ourselves some considered thought on how we do everything.

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That's an assumption. There's nothing in the rule requiring you to put on front-cover blinders and to not allow any other knowledge into the process.

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If there's a question about how to convert stacked graphical text from a front cover to the text we need for DVD Profiler, it's certainly relevant that the back cover lists the title twice without the colon and never with the colon.

By your statement all of the Star Trek movies are wrong but we all know it Star Trek: Nemesis, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

My copies of Star Trek: Nemesis and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (the Special Collector's Edition versions) show both of those titles on the back cover with colons. 

My copy is like this "Star Trek Nemesis" and here is another title Spy Kids 2: Island of Lost Dreams. On my copy it is also "Spy Kids 2 Island of Lost Dreams".

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If we make assumptions based on how graphical text is shown, we'll end up with 007 preceding or following all of those titles.    We have to allow ourselves some considered thought on how we do everything.

But I didn't make an assumption based on how the text is shown.  My interpretation is based on what the text says and the use of the number 2.  The fact that the phrases 'Step Up 2' and 'The Streets' are seperate just reinforces that interpretation.

You made an assumption that the number 2 is an episode number. You can't know that solely from the front cover.

Example: "Cradle 2 the Grave"

"Cradle 2 the Grave" is not a sequel. "Cradle 2" is larger and above "The Grave". One would be incorrect to assume that the use of the number 2 means this is a sequel requiring that we enter it as "Cradle 2: The Grave". With this movie, one would need to know it's not a sequel in order to enter the text properly "from the cover".

With "Step Up 2 the Streets", one can't tell from the front cover whether it's a sequel or not. You can't know that the 2 is an episode number or a play on the word "to". You need more information, just as one needs with "Cradle 2 the Grave".

With Star Trek Nemesis, one also can't tell if it's an episodic title based solely on what the cover says because in that example, there is no episode number at all.

The presence or lack of a number doesn't tell you conclusively one way or the other. One needs some additional info in order to interpret the front cover.

I just noticed that Amazon lists "Step Up 2 the Streets" as the DVD and Step Up 2: The Streets" as the blu-ray title. I guess they have differing opinions there too. 

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It's a film that uses MYSPACE for its official site, it's hardly going to be the most sophisticated presentation, now is it? "Step Up 2" is a contraction of the full title; observing the uses that ignore (what you call) the subtitle completely don't aid or hinder EITHER side. You think every time George Lucas references one of his movies he uses the whole title?

When the title IS given in full, it's without a colon. As with the overview. And the credits block. And the BVHE site. And the folks in the bonus features. And so on.

IRRELEVANT Nadja. The Rules do NOT allow you to bring in any outside sources to back up what YOU want. We can provide a wide array of source which will back up what the Rules prescribe, but that is also completely irrelevant. The Rules spell out the answer very clearly, all you have to do is follow the Rules.

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If we make assumptions based on how graphical text is shown, we'll end up with 007 preceding or following all of those titles.    We have to allow ourselves some considered thought on how we do everything.

But I didn't make an assumption based on how the text is shown.  My interpretation is based on what the text says and the use of the number 2.  The fact that the phrases 'Step Up 2' and 'The Streets' are seperate just reinforces that interpretation.

You made an assumption that the number 2 is an episode number. You can't know that solely from the front cover.

Example: "Cradle 2 the Grave"

"Cradle 2 the Grave" is not a sequel. "Cradle 2" is larger and above "The Grave". One would be incorrect to assume that the use of the number 2 means this is a sequel requiring that we enter it as "Cradle 2: The Grave". With this movie, one would need to know it's not a sequel in order to enter the text properly "from the cover".

With "Step Up 2 the Streets", one can't tell from the front cover whether it's a sequel or not. You can't know that the 2 is an episode number or a play on the word "to". You need more information, just as one needs with "Cradle 2 the Grave".

With Star Trek Nemesis, one also can't tell if it's an episodic title based solely on what the cover says because in that example, there is no episode number at all.

The presence or lack of a number doesn't tell you conclusively one way or the other. One needs some additional info in order to interpret the front cover.

I just noticed that Amazon lists "Step Up 2 the Streets" as the DVD and Step Up 2: The Streets" as the blu-ray title. I guess they have differing opinions there too. 

That's a bogus example, James but nice try. you have overlooked one very important phrase in the Rules.

Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break.

This movie IS a sequel (Episode) to Step Up. Unlike Cradle 2 Grave which is a STAND-ALONE to my knowledge.

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