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KEN - Need new Roles in Crew Table in the Rules
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The Writing credits definitely need some additional entries in the "Credited As" column, since you have amended the Rules to say that if it's not listed there (or under Role), it cannot be entered.

This is in no way all inclusive, however, here are some things that need to be added to the table:

Role: Original Material By
Credited As: (Based on, From) a Novel, Book, Play, Poem, Article, Song, Concept, Idea, "Name of TV Show/Series", "Name of Comic Book", By or From...

Role: Original Characters By
Credited As: Based on Characters By, Characters By, Based on or From "Character Name" By

Role: Screenwriter
Credited As: Screenplay By, Teleplay, Original Screenplay By, Adapted Screenplay By, Screenplay Adapted By (need to add "Dialogue By" or "Additional Dialogue By" in the "Incorrect Roles" column.)

On a similar subject, The "Note" about "Original Screenplays" or "Screenplay written directly for the screen" was removed from the Rules, however, there is still a reference in the Program itself when you select the "Writer" credit when assigning crew that says "written directly for the screen".  People are using this verbiage to argue that "Original Screenplay By" should get a "Writer" credit instead of a "Screenwriter" credit.  That verbiage needs to be removed from the program.

Other roles that need to be addressed:

Role: Song Writer
Credited As: Song By, Music By (when accompanied by a Lyrics By credit), Lyrics By (Theme By should be listed in the "Incorrect Roles" column)

Role: Creature Designer
Credited As: Creature(s) By, Creature(s) Designed By, Character(s) Design(ed) By

I'm sure there are many other roles that should be added to the "Credited As" column.  Maybe we can consolidate those requests in this thread.
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Role: Creature Designer
Credited As: Creature(s) By, Creature(s) Designed By

Should "Character Design(ed) by" also be a valid entry?  There are numerous movies without human characters, and I'm sure at least some refer to them as characters rather than creatures, particularly for animated features.

Although I don't (necessarily) want it shoe-horned in, it seems odd to not have a conceptual design credit in the Art Department.  Someone who's "imagined" an entire world might miss out on a credit altogether because the word creature was never used in the credits.
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I'm totally in favor of clarifying the rules, but I'm not especially anxious to see the crew credits expanded any more.  I don't need to know who the caterers and janitors were.

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I'm totally in favor of clarifying the rules, but I'm not especially anxious to see the crew credits expanded any more.  I don't need to know who the caterers and janitors were.

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I am not asking for "additional" crew credits....only additional role names for the ones already listed in the crew table to be added to the "Credited As" column.
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I am not asking for "additional" crew credits....only additional role names for the ones already listed in the crew table to be added to the "Credited As" column.

I didn't think you were, and what you posted looked very reasonable.  I just meant that we have enough roles already (IMO), and clarification of what credits fit into each of those roles is what I'd like to see.  I wasn't disagreeing with you.

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If we would allow functional equivalents, we would not have to always ask for updates of the "Credited As" column. The list will never be near to complete without allowing spelling variants and functional equivalents.
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If we would allow functional equivalents, we would not have to always ask for updates of the "Credited As" column. The list will never be near to complete without allowing spelling variants and functional equivalents.


Personally, I would not support this at all.

It gives license to anyone's interpretation of what a "functional equivalent" is and will perpetuate the past practice of shoehorning credits into DVDP Roles where they do not belong, making the data pretty much useless.
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If we would allow functional equivalents, we would not have to always ask for updates of the "Credited As" column. The list will never be near to complete without allowing spelling variants and functional equivalents.


Personally, I would not support this at all.

It gives license to anyone's interpretation of what a "functional equivalent" is and will perpetuate the past practice of shoehorning credits into DVDP Roles where they do not belong, making the data pretty much useless.

Good luck with adding every variant to the list.
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Role: Creature Designer
Credited As: Creature(s) By, Creature(s) Designed By

Should "Character Design(ed) by" also be a valid entry?  There are numerous movies without human characters, and I'm sure at least some refer to them as characters rather than creatures, particularly for animated features.


Since we do have Creature Designer, I'd like to see Character Designer as a credit too, and I'm fairly sure a number of other fans of anime would as well.  That's a fairly significant credit in anime.
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Role: Creature Designer
Credited As: Creature(s) By, Creature(s) Designed By

Should "Character Design(ed) by" also be a valid entry?  There are numerous movies without human characters, and I'm sure at least some refer to them as characters rather than creatures, particularly for animated features.


Since we do have Creature Designer, I'd like to see Character Designer as a credit too, and I'm fairly sure a number of other fans of anime would as well.  That's a fairly significant credit in anime.


I would also like to see the Character Designer added, as I am an anime fan. This role is a very big role in terms of anime crews.
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I agree, kinda, with Rho.  Adding more credit names to the 'credited as' column is not the answer.  All Ken needs to do is add a line that tells people to use every column in the crew table.
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I agree, kinda, with Rho.  Adding more credit names to the 'credited as' column is not the answer.  All Ken needs to do is add a line that tells people to use every column in the crew table.

Since the "Note" column kind of defines the function of a role, this would be the same as allowing functional equivalents. At least for those cases where the "Note" field is not empty. I would advocate to enhance the "Note" column and in some cases point to the definition of the role by the Hollywood Film Academy or WGA etc. and officially allow functional equivalent to those roles.
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