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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
By the way "adult" is not a rating in the U.S rating system Source
The only rating use by the MPAA are : G, PG, PG-13, R and NC-17
I've said it before but "adult" is not a rating in the U.S (and the original topic opener is from the U.S), so what? We are talking about the way that Parental control usage has been defined within the program. When countries are added to dvd Profiler all the ratings are converted to the local system in the country. Apart from Adult. If you wish to say that this film could be seen by a 11 year old girl and that is why you want to change the rating back to NR then say that. But you can't change the Adult rating just because it's not on the cover. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 61 |
| | Posted: | | | | I personally code all movies that have explicit "adult" material as adult in my local DB. To clear up one point previously made in this thread ( and if this had already been stated and I missed it then I apologize in advance). The rating of "adult" is not the only information used by the DVDP Parental Lock feature. If you look on the Parental Lock tab in the Options dialog you will note that there is a check box labeled "or has 'Adult' genre" that will also hide those profiles you do not want non-adult watchers to see. If the movie has a valid rating assigned on the box or in the beginning of the movie itself, I will generally use it in the rating section of my local DB profile and add the genre "Adult" to keep this movie off of the list for younger audiences. In addition, any movie that I have coded (or has been coded for me) as adult I store in a locked cabinet to insure that my grandchildren do not have access to these titles. Just my two cents. | | | NightHawke
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Have a bad day? It's easy to use the genre for the parental control since the genre really exist. The rating "adult" don't exist, read what I've wrote in my previous post and you will see that I've no problem to use the "XXX" rating since it's a real one using by the Adult industry. Quoting pauls42: If you wish to say that this film could be seen by a 11 year old girl and that is why you want to change the rating back to NR then say that.I find this comment very insulting  ,since I can't find a polite way to respond to this accusation I will stay silent. Edit : NightHawke my comment refers to the post before yours who was not there when I was writing my comment | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was not aware that a child could watch a movie from DVDPROfiler!
Edit: Don't you have to play the DVD? | | | Jim
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
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Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover. When there is no rating, or an unrated version of the film on the disc, use the NR rating. Use the “Adult” rating for all Adult films. Where can I find a definition of "Adult film" in DVDP? | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with schultzy and northbloke: a checkbox would be great. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
If you wish to say that this film could be seen by a 11 year old girl and that is why you want to change the rating back to NR then say that. I would not have any 11-year old see any of the NR titles in my collection. I would check the movie more closely myself before doing so. Looking at the Genre may give me further ideas already... (e.g. my Caligula DVD says "Unrated (=NR); that does not imply I could show it to minors.) However, I may agree with the interpretation of the "Use the "Adult" rating for all Adult films." sentence. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote:
Quoting pauls42:
If you wish to say that this film could be seen by a 11 year old girl and that is why you want to change the rating back to NR then say that.
I find this comment very insulting ,since I can't find a polite way to respond to this accusation I will stay silent.
it wasn't meant to be insulting. It was merely asking if you considered the movie was not adult. There are plenty of films which are NR which are perfectly harmless etc. NR merely means it hasn't been rated. ken stated in the rules that all films which could be thought to be adult should have an Adult rating. And I tried to make the point that this rating is completely independant of what is on the cover. The profile is completely separate from the DVD. I wasn't suggesting that you would show the DVD itself to a minor - but the profile in dvd profiler can itself have a cover which you would want to keep hidden. I was trying to say (and obviosuly failing) that as a principle we shouldn't just change a profile which has been rated as Adult if this doesn't have the rating on the cover since others may well be relying on this in order to separate out all the adult profiles. Yes, we can use Genre as well. But that doesn't mean everybody does that - and if someone has a adult dvd and looks at the contribution notes and realises that all adult dvds will have adult in the rating then they could be relying on this. I don't care what is done locally - but we have to be aware that for something like this we need to take extra care.  I'm sorry that this came over badly. | | | | Paul | | | | Last edited: by pauls42 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
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If you wish to say that this film could be seen by a 11 year old girl and that is why you want to change the rating back to NR then say that.
I would not have any 11-year old see any of the NR titles in my collection. I would check the movie more closely myself before doing so. Looking at the Genre may give me further ideas already... (e.g. my Caligula DVD says "Unrated (=NR); that does not imply I could show it to minors.)
However, I may agree with the interpretation of the "Use the "Adult" rating for all Adult films." sentence. The profile is completely separate from the DVD. I wasn't suggesting that you would show the DVD itself to a minor - but the profile in dvd profiler can itself have a cover which you would keep hidden. I was trying to say (and obviosuly failing) that as a principle we shouldn't just change a profile which has been rated as Adult if this doesn't have the rating on the cover since others may well be relying on this in order to separate out all the adult profiles. Yes, we can use Genre as well. But that doesn't mean everybody does that - and if someone has a adult dvd and looks at the contribution notes and realises that all adult dvds will have adult in the rating then they could be relying on this. I don't care what is done locally - but we have to be aware that for something like this we need to take extra care. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Regardless of changing the rating to adult or making the genre to adult or adding a checkbox to indicate adult, I think we still need a list of what defines a movie in profile as adult.
Also, I know that the rules state use the “Adult” rating for all Adult films which does kind of imples regardless of rating. One reason I think terms that define "adult" are needed. Saying this, it leaves movies rated NC-17 to be changed to Adult and I feel the rating already implies adult. | | | Schultzy - http://www.michaelschultz.net
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,432 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
I was trying to say (and obviosuly failing) that as a principle we shouldn't just change a profile which has been rated as Adult if this doesn't have the rating on the cover since others may well be relying on this in order to separate out all the adult profiles. I understand what you are saying. The above quoted sentence wants me to clarify one item though: since NR appears to be on the cover of the movie under discussion, would you change that back to NR (as it apparently is Adult right now)? For movies which have no rating on the cover at all we are clearly in the same boat. | | | Achim [諾亞信； Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Schultzy:
While I appreciate your comment. Keep in mind that even our own Supreme Court could not define what ADULT(read Porno) means. They know it when they see it, but they could not define it. Many cartoons that I used to find very funny as a child have an entirely different slant when viewed through my adult eyes. Does this make them Adult, to some it COULD no doubt. Heck they recently released Sesame Street to DVD with a WARNING that the material might not be suitable for young children...SESAME STREET for God's sakes.
Now speaking personally, I would call adult a genre and not a rating, but Ken made it a rating. I wait to cope with whatever changes hje makes to the program at any given time and really don't worry about much in between, that may change, but i still have 300 titles to finish editing.<shrugs>FIRST.
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | Edit: hit Submit twice, sorry! | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,014 |
| | Posted: | | | | Good luck with your editing work, Skip! More or less in the same boat here... Sigh  |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
Quoting AESP_pres:
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If you wish to say that this film could be seen by a 11 year old girl and that is why you want to change the rating back to NR then say that.
I find this comment very insulting ,since I can't find a polite way to respond to this accusation I will stay silent.
it wasn't meant to be insulting. It's OK. That's why I didn't answer yesterday, a good night sleep and I can see that I've read something different in my brain. Quote:
It was merely asking if you considered the movie was not adult. There are plenty of films which are NR which are perfectly harmless etc. NR merely means it hasn't been rated. If it can answer to this specific movie (Mantis in Lace) the 1971 US rating are "R". The DVD release is unrated but the movie was originally rated R, not NC-17. This the DVD cover, I don't think that they are something shocking on it. Even for a 11 years old girl   |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ya_shin: Quote:
Quoting pauls42:
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I was trying to say (and obviosuly failing) that as a principle we shouldn't just change a profile which has been rated as Adult if this doesn't have the rating on the cover since others may well be relying on this in order to separate out all the adult profiles.
I understand what you are saying. The above quoted sentence wants me to clarify one item though: since NR appears to be on the cover of the movie under discussion, would you change that back to NR (as it apparently is Adult right now)?
For movies which have no rating on the cover at all we are clearly in the same boat. If the movie was not an adult film then the rating should match what is on the cover. The problem is that it shouldn't be changed from Adult just because the rating on the box is different. Since a 'Adult' film would probably always have NR on the cover. we have to change from Adult for the right reason - changing because its a film about Bambi - ok, changing it despite it having Bambi Woods as the actress but because the cover says NR - not Ok. - ps no deer were killed whilst writing this post. | | | | Paul |
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