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Cover Scans Rule Clarification
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMike D.
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I know that I'm probably opening up a can of worms, but I just need to address this. I've been noticing that with cover scan contributions that people tend to have selective reading with reading the rules. This is not just about various "The Mist" contributions, but with other contributions I have seen in the past. Here are the rules:
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Before submitting new scans of cover art, make sure your new covers are of significantly higher quality than the existing online images, and meet the following criteria:

The covers must match the profile exactly, including the UPC and locality.
Image size must be at least as large as the existing online covers. If you don't have a premium registration, you will be unable to verify this. Therefore, submit only images you have personally scanned at 100 DPI or higher.
If you scan images for your personal database at a quality that are higher than 100 DPI, you may still submit them. If accepted, they will automatically be downsized for inclusion in the main database.
Image quality must be at least on par with the existing online covers. Covers that are larger than existing images but are of inferior clarity will not be accepted.
Images must not contain extra watermarks, autographs, or site links.
Images must be of the front and back only. Do not include the spine in either the front or back image.
Make sure neither front nor back is of lesser quality than the existing scans.
If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image.
If a title is re-released with the same UPC, but different cover images do not contribute the new images. This includes cases where a DVD was initially released in a slipcase, which was later removed. As explained in the introduction you may use your personal images in your local database, but they will not show online.
Do not contribute generic "Coming Soon" images. If the back image is not yet available (as in a pre-release), use the front images in both places.
HD DVD and Blu-Ray discs in either HD Slim or HD Keep Case type cases without slip covers should be scanned without the HD banner

In case you missed the rule that some say, doesn't exist, here it is again:
If a DVD is packaged in a keep case, within a slipcase of some kind, scan the Cover Images from the outer slipcase. If, however, the Slipcase is reflective, and the inner cover art is identical, use the Keep Case art to scan, as it will give a better quality image.

So the point I'm trying to make is, before you vote or contribute, make sure you read the rules throughly and not just glance over them.
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I'm unfamiliar with The Mist and any debate surrounding it.

Which point are you arguing? 

1) That people are scanning a too reflective slipcase and submitting it because it is the slipcase or
2) Submitting the inner cover art in place of the slipcase
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Eagle:

What maty be too reflective for you, can be handled quite well by other users. In reality most reflective covers can be scanned fairly well, there are few exception and with experience you can tell which ones they are...not The Mist.

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I always read this more like an allowance, rather than a must.

Like: If cover is reflective, you are allowed to scan the inner cover (but don't have to).


So, voting No against the inner cover scan based on the rule is wrong, as the outer cover is reflective and therefore allows the scanning of the inner cover. Also, I believe this contribution was first and the nice scan of the outer cover wasn't there yet.

Voting No against the outer cover based on the rule is wrong too, as the scan of the reflective cover came out nicely.
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Quoting ya_shin:
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So, voting No against the inner cover scan based on the rule is wrong, as the outer cover is reflective and therefore allows the scanning of the inner cover.


But in this case, because the outer slip has a hole to see the UPC, the image given will be different so (at least for the rear) the cover is inner cover art is NOT identical so the rule cannot be applied
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Quoting Voltaire53:
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Quoting ya_shin:
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So, voting No against the inner cover scan based on the rule is wrong, as the outer cover is reflective and therefore allows the scanning of the inner cover.


But in this case, because the outer slip has a hole to see the UPC, the image given will be different so (at least for the rear) the cover is inner cover art is NOT identical so the rule cannot be applied


I agree.

Also agree with Skip that many users have a knack for scanning reflective surfaces, so in those cases the slip cover should be used (even if identical to the inner casing IMO).
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you could easely say what you see (first) is what you get
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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Quoting Voltaire53:
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Quoting ya_shin:
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So, voting No against the inner cover scan based on the rule is wrong, as the outer cover is reflective and therefore allows the scanning of the inner cover.


But in this case, because the outer slip has a hole to see the UPC, the image given will be different so (at least for the rear) the cover is inner cover art is NOT identical so the rule cannot be applied


IMHO, having "a hole to see the UPC" does NOT make the "image" different. In the case of "The Mist" the images and info on the slip cover are identical in content and placement as that of the keepcase covers. The colors of the submitted slip covers are completed whacked due to the reflectivity of the covers. The keepcase covers in this case provide for better quality images.
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Quoting tweeter:
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I'm unfamiliar with The Mist and any debate surrounding it.

Which point are you arguing? 

1) That people are scanning a too reflective slipcase and submitting it because it is the slipcase or
2) Submitting the inner cover art in place of the slipcase

The point I'm arguing is that I've notice people voting no on other user's contributions, just because its not a slip cover that was submitted. Usually they say something like, "This is not slipcover. Follow the rules." I'm not just talking about The Mist, but other contributions I have seen these last few months.
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Eagle:

What maty be too reflective for you, can be handled quite well by other users. In reality most reflective covers can be scanned fairly well, there are few exception and with experience you can tell which ones they are...not The Mist.

Skip

If you are implying that I have hard time scanning reflective covers, I don't. And I'm not talking about my contributions, but the votes, I've seen these last few months that argue that people aren't following the rules, when submitting a keep case cover as oposed to a slip cover.
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Eagle:

What maty be too reflective for you, can be handled quite well by other users. In reality most reflective covers can be scanned fairly well, there are few exception and with experience you can tell which ones they are...not The Mist.

Skip


Perhaps not. I haven't tried scanning "The Mist" yet. But based on the current slip covers up for vote, "The Mist" would be included in that catagory because the colors are gawd awful .
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Quoting 8ballMax:
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Quoting Voltaire53:
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Quoting ya_shin:
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So, voting No against the inner cover scan based on the rule is wrong, as the outer cover is reflective and therefore allows the scanning of the inner cover.


But in this case, because the outer slip has a hole to see the UPC, the image given will be different so (at least for the rear) the cover is inner cover art is NOT identical so the rule cannot be applied


IMHO, having "a hole to see the UPC" does NOT make the "image" different. In the case of "The Mist" the images and info on the slip cover are identical in content and placement as that of the keepcase covers. The colors of the submitted slip covers are completed whacked due to the reflectivity of the covers. The keepcase covers in this case provide for better quality images.


I agree. I had already taken a copy of the new submitted slip cover scans (as I always do) prior to voting finished but have now replaced them with the scans of the keepcase since these look far better.
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I agree. I had already taken a copy of the new submitted slip cover scans (as I always do) prior to voting finished but have now replaced them with the scans of the keepcase since these look far better.


I've done the same
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One relevant question is - how identical must the images be?

I know this is difficult to quantify, but if you say "exactly identical" then the rule is moot, because a reflective and a non-reflective cover is by definition not exactly identical.
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One relevant question is - how identical must the images be?
to the pixel in 100/150/200/... dpi
Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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Gunnar:

Do you also have problem defining what is is?

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