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There is currently a contribution up for voting where the contributor is removing "& Special Features" from the current Disc ID description which says "Episodes 22-23 & Special Features".

This is a very common occurence for TV sets to be set up with a combination of episodes and special features on the last disc in the set.

Apparently a previous contribution which left this description in got a "no" vote saying there is only supposed to be "one description" according to the Rules.

Well, if we are going interpret the Rules this strictly, then the description should be ONLY "Episode 22" since putting "Episode 22-23" is in fact describing TWO episodes.

I feel like we are carrying this Rule interpretation way too far.

Having "& Special Features" is useful information as it informs the user that special features are contained on a specific disc, otherwise just looking at the disc information you would not intuitively know that.

So, what is the consensus on this?  Do the Rules really forbid adding that useful piece of information?

If the answer is yes, should we perhaps request a clarification of that Rule be made?
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I would be against adding bonus features also to the description... First of all it is used just for the last disc.... not every disc with special features... a lot of sets I have has bonus features on every disc. But yet you don't see this on all the discs that has extra features.. and I for one certainly don't want to see multiple descriptions on every disc in the set.

I also don't see "Episodes#-#" as a multiple description. That is one description.. it is labeling with the episodes. The multiple descriptions come in because it is telling us the episodes on the diisc (as it should) AND that there is bonus features on the disc as well... that is where the multiple descriptions come in.

So... if this was to be done... most tv sets will have the "& Special Features" on every (or almost every) disc... as the majority of my TV Sets has at least 1 special feature per disc... not just the last disc of the set.
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I also don't see "Episodes#-#" as a multiple description. That is one description.. it is labeling with the episodes.


No matter how you parse it, listing multiple episode numbers is listing multiple descriptions, regardless of the fact that they are all "episodes".
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In your opinion. I do see that as 1 description... as I believe most people would.
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I'm strongly against this, too. Mostly because I just feel it looks ugly, but also for consistency's sake. Like Pete said: many TV-sets have bonus material on each disc (think: 'Seinfeld'), and having "Episodes XX-YY & Special Features" for each disc seems silly and redundant.

Most importantly: think about what we use as disc description for single-disc movie-profiles, containing the film plus some special features... We don't label those "Main Feature & Bonus Materials", do we? No, because the rules specifically tell us to use "Main Feature". I really don't see why we should use a different approach for TV-shows.
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I may not always agree with your line of thinking Tim... but this time I must say... I agree 100%
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Personally I would add and "& Special Features" to a disc if that one disc had all the features on as it is often more a 'Special Features with the remaining episode we couldn't fit' disc.

I would leave it off if the features were spread over a number of discs in the set as, in that case, as pointed out it would look silly and inconsistent with the Movie method.

I wouldn't No Vote unless "& Special Features" was added to more than one of the discs.
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but it is still multiple disc descriptions... and the rules do not allow for that.

There is no special clarification to allow it for TV Series... and the rules states anything that is not clarified in the TV Series page... you use the standard rules. The standard rules is against using the multiple descriptions. So that means it is against the rules for TV Series at this time too.

I personally would be against adding it in for TV Series... but if Ken wants to add it in for TV Series for accuracy sake... then in my opinion it SHOULD be added for all discs that contains special features... not just the last disc. I may not like it... and I personally may think it looks bad. But in my opinion... if it is wanted for accuracy sake... it should be completely accurate.
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Personally I would add and "& Special Features" to a disc if that one disc had all the features on as it is often more a 'Special Features with the remaining episode we couldn't fit' disc.

I would leave it off if the features were spread over a number of discs in the set as, in that case, as pointed out it would look silly and inconsistent with the Movie method.

I wouldn't No Vote unless "& Special Features" was added to more than one of the discs.


That seems like a very reasoned approach.
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Episodes 22-23 = One descriptor
Special Features = One descriptor

Episodes 22-23 & Special Features = Two descriptors (Not allowed per current Contribution Rules)

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I can see both sides to this pending arguement, but by the same token if the disc info in the packaging states episodes x & y + special features where else are you to put the fact that there are special features.

A box conataining two disc's disc 1 the movie disc 2 the special features still gets listed into the parent profile as disc a 7 disc b so where's the difference
Just take a look at Battlestar Galactica Season One
4 disc set the last of which contains just two episodes and the "Deleted Scenes" from All the episodes, so technically disc four should state episodes x & y + deleted scenes as this is what the disc contains.

just my 2cents.

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Just take a look at Battlestar Galactica Season One
4 disc set the last of which contains just two episodes and the "Deleted Scenes" from All the episodes, so technically disc four should state episodes x & y + deleted scenes as this is what the disc contains.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of. If we allow "Episodes X-Y & Special Features", people will start to think that "Episodes X-Y & Deleted Scenes" is okay, too. What's next? "Episodes X-Y & Commentary"? I really like the consistent manner we have in having just one descriptor. If the DVD contains a film, we use "Main Feature". If it contains episodes of a TV shows, we use "Episodes X-Y". And if it's a disc with special features only, we use "Bonus Materials". Nothing more, nothing less, and best of all: practically no exceptions. IMHO, the rules have been set up the way they are to allow consistent handling of these disc descriptions throughout the various localities. Let's not try and make this into another "gray area" where everybody can just enter into the field whatever he likes...
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once again... I agree. before you know it... we will have Episodes #-# & Deleted Scenes & Trailers or what have you. I do feel the way it is set up now is the best way to do it.
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There is currently a contribution up for voting where the contributor is removing "& Special Features" from the current Disc ID description which says "Episodes 22-23 & Special Features".


Is that description stated somewhere on the case?
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Quoting hal9g:
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There is currently a contribution up for voting where the contributor is removing "& Special Features" from the current Disc ID description which says "Episodes 22-23 & Special Features".


Is that description stated somewhere on the case?


I'm not sure on this one in particular, and I'm not at home to check, but on all of the Star Trek Sets, the covers include descriptions of the discs and they invariably include "Special Features" in the description of the last disc.  Plenty of others do the same.
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The automatic "Bonus Materials" disc description for each disc after the first disc is a hold over
when the profile only had to deal with movies.

Episode #x-#y is one descriptor, period.

IMHO:
For TV series there are two cases to consider:
1) One profile for the series and
2) A profile for each disc;
Since I prefer and use case 2, I'll not commit on option 1.
All the info is available about a disc under the features section and the
"Bonus Materials" should apply to a disc with no episodes and only
"Bonus Materials", usually the last disc.
Oh, I have probably violated this at times, which I'm going to correct in my own db..
We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
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